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Announcements > Monday, February-07-2011

Winnipeg Skeptics Overdose on Nonsense

Keywords: winnipeg, homeopathy

Cross-posted from the Winnipeg Skeptics blog.



The 10:23 Campaign took place this weekend, with events in seven Canadian cities and on every continent worldwide—and I mean every continent: I'm told that there was even participation at one of the Antarctic research stations! [Edit: Here's the link!]



In Winnipeg, we had a modest turnout of ten skeptics; we had a few cancellations due to illness, despite event co-organiser Leslie Saunders' assurances that there would be copious quantities of Oscillococcinum available. Go figure.

When we arrived at Memorial Park, directly north of the Manitoba Legislative Building, we discovered that the snow was knee- (and in some cases, waist-) deep. Luckily Douglas had a shovel in his trunk, and Robert and I took it in turns to clear a path to our chosen area.


Richelle and Leslie with homeopathic moonshine, diluted to a very potent 60C.

Leslie supplied us all with "homeopathic moonshine", and Robert and Richelle were kind enough to furnish everyone with some hot coffee (thankfully, not diluted to homeopathic quantities). It was a balmy –2°C, but while the weather was mild the added warmth of the hot beverages was much appreciated. That, and I'm a coffee addict.


Douglas and Nathan with two varieties of homeopathic sleeping pills.

When 10:23 came around, the overdose began. Douglas and Nathan both downed bottles of homeopathic sleeping pills. Half an hour later, they were not even drowsy, although Nathan took his with a Monster Energy Drink: it was obviously this dangerous combination of uppers and downers that kept him going for the rest of the event.

I chose to take a 30C preparation of ignatia amara, a remedy that is meant to treat "intense grief, bereavement, and emotional shock"—and, if I'm reading this reference site correctly, also "shrivelled" genitals and "the plague".


I down my bottle of ignatia amara, which is supposed to contain a deadly cocktail of strychnine and brucine.

Although we hadn't received responses to any of our media solicitations, we did have a fellow from CTV who showed up after the main event. Several of us were still chatting, and we were more than happy to do another overdose for the camera. Apparently we got some CTV News screen-time, which I missed. (But who watches the news?) You can find a very brief write-up of the story here.
Gem Newman, founder of the local group Winnipeg Skeptics, said that the protest was to put pressure on pharmacists and healthcare providers to ensure that products sold as medical treatments are effective.

That's actually a very fair summary of our position. I'm impressed! This isn't about telling people that they can't take homeopathic nostrums if they so desire—it's about raising awareness and educating the public so that they can make an informed choice.

Of course, the obligatory false balance was also present:
Kumar Belgaumkar, a homeopathic medicine practitioner with the Winnipeg Homeopathic Clinic, said that while consuming excessive pills during the staged overdose wasn't dangerous, it also isn't a scientific test of homeopathic medicine.

Homeopathic medicine has been practiced for over 200 years and has been proven in a clinical setting, he said.

Of course. It was never meant to be a "scientific test of homeopathic medicine". Those have been done, and, contrary to Mr. Belgaumkar's assertion, they show that homeopathy has no effect beyond placebo.* And I presume that you noted his worthless appeal to antiquity?

Let's move on.

After the event, I was contacted by Rob Drinkwater, a reporter for the Canadian Press, and he conducted a telephone interview with me. I also put him in touch with Michael Kruse and Jonathan Abrams, who organised the Toronto and Ottawa demonstrations.

When the Canadian Press story eventually hit the news sites, I was disappointed by the factual inaccuracies it contained. Even after I walked Mr. Drinkwater through the homeopathic process and explained that the preparations (despite their labels) contained nothing but sugar and lactose, the story implied that the "remedies" were herbal in nature.
Skeptics of homeopathic medicine have downed entire bottles of the remedies at demonstrations in several Canadian cities in an effort to prove the concoctions don't work.

Gem Newman, who consumed a whole bottle of St. John's Wort at an event in Winnipeg, says the capsules were mostly comprised of sugar and water and didn't affect him.

Again, we weren't trying to "prove the concoctions don't work": we're trying to raise public awareness of this fact. The scientific legwork has already been done, but public perception of these nostrums is lagging behind.

Nitpick Warning: I did not consume a bottle of St. John's Wort! I did not even consume something labelled St. John's Wort. I was planning to take hypericum perforatum myself, but its claims to cure puncture wounds, crushed fingers, and lockjaw made it popular enough that I gave it away to another enthusiastic skeptic.

But that's irrelevant, because no one actually got any hypericum. Taking a whole bottle of actual hypericum could be extremely dangerous, potentially resulting in liver failure. The capsules weren't "mostly comprised of sugar and water"—they were entirely comprised of sugar and lactose!

So, the lesson here is that dealing with the media is a recipe for frustration.

On a lighter note, did anyone else notice that "Drinkwater" has to be the greatest possible name for a reporter doing a story on homeopathy ever?

In the interest of avoiding facepalms, I suggest steering clear of the comments section on the Winnipeg Free Press site. It's full of the standard "Big Pharma" conspiracy-mongering, naturalistic fallacies, appeals to consumer freedom, anti-vaccine kookery, and simple misunderstandings of what homeopathy actually is. The comments probably shouldn't be taken as representative, however: the alt. med. crowd is really good at mobilizing the troops.
IMO, the people who pulled this little media stunt are big pharma insiders out to discredit natural medicine. It's all part of the plan to remove natural products from the shelves... they don't even deny it.

Exactly right! Because the only way someone could possibly disagree with you is if they were paid off.

Even so, there were some glimmers of hope. My wife went through the comments and picked out some winners.
Good and innocent people (though not many smart people) quite often die from taking homeopathic remedies instead of medicine. THIS is the issue. You need not bow down to big pharma, but don't bow down to homeopathy either. It's so much dumber.

Many, perhaps most "remedies" contain not a single molecule of the active "ingredient" (it's not an ingredient if there isn't any of it present, DUH!) because they are diluted by a factor of 10 to the power of 60 (that's a 1 with SIXTY zeroes after it!). Further claims are even more ridiculous than that one - that the remaining dilutant (usually water or alcohol) retains an "impression" of the diluted substance (which is no long even present). This is, unfortunately, in opposition to all known science.

Big pharma will stop at nothing. [Homeopaths] will stop at even less. Do your own research, and remember that keeping an open mind includes being open to the idea that homeopathy may not be good for you. Weigh the evidence, especially if you or a loved one are ill, even more especially if it is a serious illness that is known to be curable or treatable by other methods than homeopathy.

And how about this one, responding to some anti-vax claims?
People used to die of pneumonia, whooping cough and the COMMON COLD in outrageous numbers but improvements in our understanding of modern medicine (including sanitation) have improved survivabilty of disease. The best that homeopathy can give you is improved hydration.

I believe that this one was posted by Richelle, and it nicely sums up our position:
We don't want to take away people's rights to free choice. What we do want to see is people be aware of what they're throwing their money away on. It is a scam. Imagine if a "Big Pharma" company swapped out their drugs for something that didn't work, had been proven not to work, and sold it for a jacked up price to an innocent public!

This whole campaign is about choice: it's about informed choice. As things stand, it's incredibly difficult for people to make informed choices, because misinformation abounds. This is easily illustrated by the fact that neither the reporter nor the commenters seem to understand that homeopathy ? herbal remedies.

And finally...
[Homeopathy] is every bit as valid as horoscopes and healing crystals! I can't understand how these people can protest such important treatments.

I don't care if that's Poe or not: it's pure WIN!



Homeopathy: there's nothing in it.

I just want to finish up with a brief note about placebos. Someone suggested on Facebook today that even if homeopathy is nothing but placebo, placebos have been proven to work.

This is not true.

Placebo is "effective" in roughly 30% of cases, and only for symptoms with a high psychological overlay (e.g., pain or nausea), and it isn't clear whether people are perceiving less pain or if they are simply reporting less pain. Objective outcomes are not affected by placebo.

When placebos seem to affect objective outcomes, this effect occurs in the form of regression to the mean (when symptoms are at their worst, they tend to improve a little). When a patient seems to get better, it can also be due to the natural history of the disease (many diseases—colds, flus, etc.—get better on their own). Throw in a little confirmation bias for good measure, and the "placebo effect" isn't much of an effect at all.

Many folks think that it's "mind over matter". It isn't. Placebos aren't used because they work, they're used because they're necessary to maintain blinding procedures in clinical trials, which prevents bias in patient, practitioner, and analyst. (But don't take my word for it! For more information from an actual medical doctor and infectious disease specialist, see episode 5 of QuackCast.)

And don't forget: with real medicines you get a placebo effect on top of a real medical intervention. Bonus!



I probably should have prefaced this with "TL; DR". Ah, well.




* From the conclusion of a recent systematic review of 110 placebo-controlled trials: "when analyses were restricted to large trials of higher quality there was no convincing evidence that homeopathy was superior to placebo."

Source: A. Shang, K. Huwiler-Muntener, L. Nartey, P. Juni, S. Dorig, J.A. Sterne, et al. "Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy". Lancet, volume 366 (2005).

Announcements > Monday, February-07-2011

Toronto Skeptics Down Useless Meds

On February 5th 2011, the Committee for Free Inquiry (CFI) and its Committee for the Advancement of Scientific Skepticism (CASS) participated together with the  Association for Science and Reason (ASR) in the worldwide 10:23 Challenge.

The Toronto participants gathered around 12 PM at Yonge and Dundas, where the demonstration took place.

The attention-getter of the 10:23 Challenge consisted of a number of participants intentionally overdosing on a homoeopathic product. The message was clear: if homoeopathy works, participants should die like fruit flies in a bucket of insecticide.

The participants were not suicidal, nor were they deranged. This was simply intended as a demonstration that homoeopathy is not all it seems. In fact, it is nothing more than an elaborate placebo (sugar pill).

After overdosing on homoeopathic products sporting such inauspicious labels as Gelsemium sempervirens (related to strychnine), Arsenicum album (arsenic), Belladonna (nightshade) and Mercurius solubilis (mercury), the participants were none the worse off, except maybe for a predictable sugar rush ensuring that they were all in high spirits.

During the demonstration, onlookers could also hear an explanation of what homoeopathy is, what its principles are, how homoeopathic products are manufactured -including a demonstration of the homoeopathic dilution cum succussion process- and why homoeopathy can be dangerous -even deadly- despite its lack of active ingredients.

Although there was heavy competition for the public’s attention from the Canadian Skip Patrol System’s demonstration, the Toronto version of the 10:23 Challenge managed to get quite a bit of attention and it seems that we can rest assured that public awareness of homoeopathy and its dangers has increased as a result.

Let the message be clear and unambiguous: Homoeopathy: there’s nothing in it.

Announcements > Saturday, February-05-2011

Skeptics Court Death by Massive Drug Overdose!!!!!

….except that the drugs were homeopathic, so all we got was a maybe a bit of a sugar buzz.

This morning, about 35 members of CFI Ottawa and Ottawa Skepticsassembled around the Centennial Flame on Parliament Hill, as part of the world-wide 10:23 Campaign to raise public awareness about homeopathy.

Dr. Chris Hassall distributed vials of assorted homeopathic preparations — all guaranteed, according to the labels, to contain not one molecule of the stated active ingredient. (I did worry slightly that a patrolling cop might consider this activity to constitute some sort of illicit drug dealing — right on the steps of Parliament! Now that would make an interesting court case). At 10:23am (or thereabouts) we up-ended our respective vials and choked down the contents. Here we are a few minutes later, when (so far) no one has died, fainted, or suffered any other dramatic (or indeed, noticeable) complication from taking hundreds of times the recommended therapeutic dose of homeopathic medicine:

As you can see, we are all wearing our fashionable and warm white toques bearing the embroidered 10:23 campaign logo. We have a bunch left over, so if anyone out there would like one for their very own, they are available for $10 each plus shipping, with proceeds going to CFI’s Extraordinary Claims campaign.

My wife and I both took Arnica montana 30CH (for those who don’t know: “30CH” means a 100-fold dilution, repeated 30 times. The final dilution is therefore 10-60, ie: the last trace of the original herb was washed away at least ten dilutions ago!). Arnica1 is recommended homeopathically for pain relief, and the reduction of bruising and swelling following an injury. I have no idea what an overdose of something with that activity should look like, but as of 4:30pm, my wife reports that her sporadic recurrent back pain is still present, and I report that the trigger finger in my right hand is active and slightly painful, and the post-surgical swelling in the left hand (which was operated on to correct the condition, about two weeks ago) is still present.


1. It should be noted that the Arnica plant does contain the chemicalhelenalin, known to have anti-inflammatory (in non-homeopathic concentrations!) properties.


Announcements > Wednesday, February-02-2011

10:23 Canada 2011 Events Announced

This coming weekend groups from all over Canada (except the east coast – hop to it!!) will be participating in the international 10:23 Campaign as they attempt a death-defying “overdose” from homeopathic medications.

Participants will swallow “overdoses” of scam medications sold by major retailers which contain no active ingredients. The action is the culmination of a worldwide demonstration taking place in more than 25 countries to inform consumers about homeopathy. Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Kitchener-Waterloo, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal will staging their own events.

The protests will show that ‘There’s Nothing In Homeopathy’, as homeopathic remedies available on the shelves of pharmacies and from private practitioners contain none of the natural ingredients they are supposedly based on, and have been shown by clinical trials to be no more effective than water.

Below are the links to each event:

Vancouver: Feb. 5th at 11:00 am Vancouver Art Gallery (Robson side)

Edmonton: Feb. 5th, from 6:30pm-9pm – Block 1912 Café

Winnipeg: Feb. 5th at 10:23 am at Memorial Park in front of the Manitoba Legislature

Toronto: Feb. 5th at 12:00 noon Yonge and Dundas SW corner in front of Eaton Centre

Kitchener-Waterloo: Feb. 6th 1300 at Kitchener City Hall

Ottawa: Feb. 5th 10:00 – 11:00 am Parliament Hill

Montreal: Feb. 5th at 10:23am. 1400 Boul. Rene Levesque in front of Radio Canada

As more specific information comes in, this post will be updated. This is a great opportunity to come together as a community and speak out against bad science, please join your local group!

News, notes  and video about the events will be available on the 10:23 Canada blog site here.


Announcements > Monday, January-31-2011

Welcome To The 10-23 Canada Blog

We're getting the website all set up right now in order to gear up and get this campaign in order.  This is the official blog of 10-23 Canada, so check back here often for news and updates.  Stay tuned for information about how to take part in this campaign of public awareness regarding Homeopathy. We welcome everybody who's interested in helping.